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Steven McCarty |
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Another "new" propulsion system |
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Greetings all, nice forum here. I need to have a propulsion system evaluated to see if it can work. Like most inventors, I would like to make large amounts of cash for my masterpiece so an evaluation needs to be confidential. I have tried here in the states but no one answers my Emails, no one includes NASA, NIAC (the NASA institute for Advanced Concepts) JPL and The Mars Society, all this attention sure helps one's ego. No matter, does any one here know where or whom to send a confidential disclosure to?
Best Regards
Steve |
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10 June 2004
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Ram Firestone - 10/06/2004 18:36:32
| | | You need to get a patent or at least a provisional patent so you have some protection. Technically you have a year to patent something after you have disclosed it, but if you want to be safe get a provisional patent. After that you can disclose it to anyone who is interested which will probably be just about no one. Therefore you will almost certainly need to have a working prototype before you will get anybody with money to spend interested. You must realize that dozens of people patent these things and up to now none of them have been proven to work, so understandably government and industry are highly skeptical (and this is a major understatement). Your prototype should pass some reasonable test for functionally. It should not just jump all over the floor where friction can be a major contributor. A pendulum test is good and possibly other tests also. Remember you have to convince skeptics. So you must demonstrate your invention definitively.
Ram
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Steven McCarty - 10/06/2004 20:47:58
| | | Thanks Ram: I have gone the patent route on another invention some years ago, very disapointing. My invention worked, but was aggressively ignored to death, then put in the public domain by the PTO before the patent expired due non payment of maintenance fees.
I am also afraid that in the unlikely event that I have invented something new that works, the fed might seize it. Unfortunatly I lack both the skills and financial resources to fabricate this device. I can say that from my limited understanding of the subject, that it has the best chance of working of any gyro device I have seen in several years of web searching. Also it is quite different from what anyone would expect.
What is a provisional patent? I did the poor mans patent thing, mailing a copy of a brief disclosure to myself?
You say I would have a year to file after public disclosure, is that in the US? what about the UK?
Anyway if there is no way to show the device I may build a website detailing it and send links to whoever.
Steve
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Ram Firestone - 10/06/2004 22:04:22
| | | Well, building something is always the problem. Ideas are a dime a dozen (at least mine are :-). As for US provisional patents, they are only good for a year. Then you have to file a real patent (http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/provapp.htm). I don’t know anything about UK patent laws. As far as the Feds grabbing a patent goes, yes they can grab anything they want to by law. However they have to pay you for it if they do. You can take them to court otherwise.
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DaveS - 11/06/2004 16:17:21
| | | There may be another way.
If you are 100% convinced the device will work. Make a mock up, cardboard, balsa wood, string, glue etc to provide a 3 dimensional model.
Go and talk to a high tech engineering company. Explain what your idea should be able to accomplish. If they are interested, offer them a large stake in its future. If they like this idea then get them to sign an Non Disclosure Agreement and then show them the design, model. NDA examples easily found by a web search.
I did this and the company i spoke with believe there is substance in my design. The relationship with this engineering company has resulted in them constructing my prototype almost cost free. They are two man working days away from completing a prototype to hopefully prove in the first instance linear propulsion. Although it is close to completion i cannot realistically expect them to finish for several days as they are still servicing their existing business clients at the same time. If this prototype works then they will make the rest of the machine which will allow for controlled directional propulsion.
The only monies i am required to spend are for any specialist parts needed to be brought in such as specialist bearings and the motors. We are splitting the cost for these items.
If this then works then i will demonstrate the machine to the media in an enclosed box thus hiding the internal workings. A patent will follow shortly afterwards.
Walking this path i only have to spend about £150, i have specialist machine manufacturers applying themselves to the task and all CAD is also done by the company (which is also necessary for patents), most engineering companies also have people who are familiar with registering patents.
The only draw back is that they are building it in their time, not mine, so patience in abundance is often required.
It is important that you choose a company that can work with different metals; i.e. tungston, aluminium, steel, titanium. The forces generated by gyroscopes can be phenomenal.
If you have not done so already, I think you could benefit by reading all the previous posts on the propulsion part of this forum.
Good luck whatever route you choose.
DaveS
ps. If you post your design on the web and it is as good as you say, kiss it goodbye.
Any who have trod the inventor path will understand the need for total control over the future exploitation of a working device.
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Steven McCarty - 11/06/2004 17:15:28
| | | Thanks guys, Your advice was what I had feared. I have not posted it yet and I am convinced it works, but I'm sure most inventors are convinced of their inventions. I am fairly proficient in 3D modeling software and I have made a detailed virtual model of my engine. Still, no mater who I contact they refuse to acknowledge my Emails. Good luck Dave, I will continue my vain attempts to find progressive thinkers in the US.
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