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This is for all i've promised to tell and especially for NM.
Theory of Gamma Drive
1. If a gyroscope is hanging from the edge of a rotating turntable it will precess and can become inverted.
2. If the spin direction of the gyro is reversed during the pivot, the the inverted gyro can experence a second upward precessional force.
3. If the initial pivot is forceful enough the gyro will pivot more than 180 degrees, then the cycle can repeat.
The key has always been to break the symmetry of the centrifugal force.
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2 November 2019
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Nitro - 06/11/2019 18:13:27
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| | Hi Nate
Forgive me but I am getting (Ha! Getting?) old and I am having trouble visualising the arrangement of a gyro hanging from the edge of a turntable and then precessing to become inverted. I understand that there is a need to convert a gyrodynamic motion to a Newtonian motion at different points of an inertial drive machine but I need help to visualise what you describe.
Is there a YouTube video or similar that I can look up?
Kind regards
NM
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Nate - 06/11/2019 19:18:25
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Yes, some of the principles are not so simple to visualize. But the first part of the theory
was hinted at in my post dated 29 May 2014 "Precession Reversal". The string of posts there included the following reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ubKR7_yS68
Also consider Glen Turner's device #6 shown here on this website was on the right track:
http://gyroscopes.org/showfull2.asp?imagename=6a.jpg
He said: "... the gyroscopes were beginning to warp/bend the structure (even using quite thick alu) and cause problems on the hinges. The gyros were applying stress internally in the structure by trying to fold it rather than produce pure propulsion."
That was propulsive centrifugal force trying to be released!
Another researcher who came close to the Gamma Drive principles was Dr. Spartak M. Poliakov. A photo of his machine is here: http://gyroscopes.org/propulsion.asp. You can also see his device at the end of this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6K5r5RjGAVY.
He allowed his gyros to pivot, but not enough.
There are others who came close, but now you can see the possibility.
Namaste,
Nate
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Nitro - 07/11/2019 03:20:55
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Thanks for the links. Glen's machine would only try and bend its mounts - movement is required to create the required reaction.
My old Jogglevision YouTube video (below) shows an early version of my scissoring machine. With the right reactive mass (lead shot) it produces, remarkably, an impulse on both the gyrodynamic stroke (shown) and the Newtonian stroke (missing but obvious). The fast repeater version is sadly no more but it did what was expected – except for its later self destruct which was as spectacular as it was unexpected.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiUr7gAqgLw
Kind regards
NM
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Nate - 09/11/2019 19:20:53
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The work of another researcher who tried rotating a spinning disk can be found on youtube by searching "Joe Fiirmage Device". Looks like he invested a lot of money, but he only shows devices that torque a lot.
His work appears to be very similar to that reported by Ravi here on this site and at:
http://relmachine.blogspot.com.
The torque their machines exhibit is around the center of gravity of the entire device. I've not seen any evidence of angular-to-linear force conversion. Nor any measurements on a scale, pendulum test or counterweight test.
SOME OF THE ROTATIONAL FORCES MUST BE RELEASED AT SOME POINT !
( Like you have done and like an Olympian Hammer Thrower does. )
Namaste,
Nate
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Nitro - 19/11/2019 11:19:15
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| | Hi Nate
Thank you for those links. I had seen Ravi’s machine before and though he had made a wonderfully well put together machine he, sadly, was barking up the wrong tree as was the incredibly complex and, I am sure, costly Joe Firmage device. I always find it almost unbelievable that such amazingly complex machines get to be made even though earlier and simpler test machines must have shown a complete lack of thrust from the systems used. I guess they all knew instinctively that there was something there and just had to go for it the best way they could.
Admittedly with a total lack of suitable equations to guide them (Newton’s wonderful work didn’t reach as far as overhung gyros and they make a complete nonsense of the first, second and third of his motion laws) means that all machines start off pretty much as a blind shot in the dark. I perhaps had an advantage by being “dismathic” (the maths equivalent of dyslexic?) as I couldn’t turn, as most would, to maths for guidance.
My first machines were not unlike Harvey Fiala’s, though I only heard of him recently (there was no internet or Google to search when I started working on this in my late teens and I don’t think Harvey had started on this back then). Although that type of system does function, its output is low for its input. I figured that if I could effectively hold back a gyro mechanism against its precession stroke and do the same with the Newtonian stroke and then effectively catapult the mechanism into action I could get a greater propulsive force. I also, with this system, found that I could achieve a propulsive movement on both the Gyro-dynamic and Newtonian stroke. It improved the amount of movement per stroke but the down side (and there is always a bloody downside) was that the resetting mechanism and its complexity confounded getting a fast enough repeat rate to be useful for anything but an interesting toy.
There are now a few reactionless machines on YouTube and elsewhere that absolutely do produce propulsion (they should probably be better called “oppositeless” machines as they do produce the exact amount of reaction to be expected but the reactions are not overall opposite). After 332 years since Newton’s mistake, of putting opposite into the third, there has been no Scientist of note prepared to take this subject forward – except of course for poor Eric Laithwaite who was treated like a leper by his peers when he went public a bit too soon and his wrecked career still stands as warning to other scientists not to dare to “dis” Newton. Hopefully a new breed of less hide-bound scientists is hiding out there or we’ll be forever tied to throwing stuff away to travel in micro gravity.
Keep climbing those monkey bars.
KInd regards
NM
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Nate - 19/11/2019 16:19:03
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After my history described here "Gamma Project Report - 3"...
The USPTO has issued my patent! U.S. 10482790 !
I look forward to discussing the details with you and others so I can improve the device.
Namaste,
Ted
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Nate - 19/11/2019 16:19:08
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After my history described here "Gamma Project Report - 3"...
The USPTO has issued my patent! U.S. 10482790 !
I look forward to discussing the details with you and others so I can improve the device.
Namaste,
Ted
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Nitro - 19/11/2019 17:54:47
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I look forward to hearing details of your progress and patent.
KInd regards
Nick
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Nate - 21/11/2019 02:38:53
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Typical Counter-weight test:
https://youtu.be/ge1cD23kJPU
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Nate - 22/11/2019 05:22:15
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| | IT'S THE FRICTION IN THE SYSTEM THAT KEEPS THE GAMMA DEVICE FROM FALLING.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=073mD3MLN60
Also alignment of the roller wheels to the guide rails as well as the surfaces of both are worn.
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Nate - 07/01/2020 00:21:17
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UPDATE: (unedited video) https://youtu.be/l5vyOKL-8hc
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Nate - 29/02/2020 00:11:35
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Gamma Max project update: https://youtu.be/I3XMVvioyKg
Shows counter-weight testing results AND testing on a Loadcell scale.
Vertical force now at 3.5 Newtons.
Better and better,
Nate
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Nate - 08/10/2020 23:55:42
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| | NM,
Further to your post of 06/11/2019 18:13:27
Here's a video of a gyroscope inverting itself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Opx_rkrDK4&ab_channel=MathEasySolutions
If you've read my patent, you may recognize the R1 and R2 features in this video.
The gyro is operating in two different angular momentum fields. ( Ref: fig 6 )
Even I am surprised that the gyro (on the left) continues to invert for so long.
What do you think?
Nate
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