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Any private individuals out there with funding for the building of a gyroscopic propulsion device? |
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11 August 2003
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Glenn Turner - 11/08/2003 16:20:34
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| | I've been doing self funded research since 1995. I've tried to get funding in the past but failed. Its very hard even getting help for work that is not recognised by science. The area on this site with all my work on has been removed for a while until have have chance to rewrite it (it was out-of-date).
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Dr D.Fisher - 30/08/2003 01:34:24
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| | There is no such thing as gyroscopic propulsion. Eric Laithwaite had many good and original ideas. Unfortunately, the ideas which were good were not original, and those which were original were not good.
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Nitro MacMad - 02/09/2003 21:55:22
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| | Dear Dave
Your first obstacle to receiving any funding will be overcome by constructing a machine that will demonstrate that gyrodynamic propulsion is possible. I am sorry to say that this, the first problem, is not the greatest. The greatest is that most education systems, with the aim of saving us from wasting time travelling dead end paths succeed instead in closing paths to new discoveries. (See the response from Dr D Fisher who is desperately keen on trying to save you wasting your time.)
I suspect, however, that Dr Fisher's education might mean that if you showed him a working machine he would look for hidden magnets instead of seeking what it does.
The path is very worth while. Bon Route.
NM
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Trident7 - 03/09/2003 16:05:15
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| | NM is exactly right. If you would like talk about the issue and why it has not been done before by people who are far educated than we, then email me direct trident7pj@yahoo.com. Anybody who tells you are mad or it can not be done, just ignore them. Even if youre goal can not be achieved you might discover something along the way that is real.
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Dr D.Fisher - 10/09/2003 00:24:37
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| | What is wrong with you people? Somebody tells you that something is impossible and you immediately think that 'the truth is out there'; not in the textbooks. The idea that gyroscopes do not obey Newton's laws is the outcome of ignorance, not evidence. Even Einstein once thought that gyroscopes should 'fall more slowly'; until he came to his senses. Not everything is possible just because you want it to be!
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Dave - 16/09/2003 12:22:47
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| | Thank you for the responses so far. I was asking for private funding help for a reason. I have no desire to share my machine with a large corporation. I have designed a gyroscopic machine that does not break any laws of physics. It is a propulsion device and although it may propell a vehicle into flight without the upward thrust of air displacement, it does not have to be lighter than air the same as a rocket engine is not. I also never mentioned the term anti gravity. I too have a degree in a "science" subject and my designs are based on physical laws, not whimsy.
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Paul Tambala - 19/09/2003 03:58:46
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| | I think Dr Fishers play on words on his commentary of Prof laithwaite work reveals him to be a poet,,,,,poets unfortunately, are not genrally known for their understanding of the work of engineers such as the late prof laithwaite
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Mike Hardman - 20/09/2003 01:46:24
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| | Dave, I wish I could help with funding, but all I can do is add my moral support for your pursuit.
I totally agree with Trident7's post here - it is a worthy pursuit - if only because it is intrinsically impossible to predict what surprises and true novelties you may come across.
I knew Eric for many years (I went to school with his elder son, one of my best mates), and I am sure he would endorse your exploration of the subject, on the same grounds.
Having said that, I remember chewing the fat with Eric, over his dining table one night, about static magnetic levitation without feedback circuitry. He told me it could not be done. But I was not dissuaded, and I always had the feeling he said that as a test of the depth of my curiosity.
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Dr D.Fisher - 22/09/2003 15:35:24
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| | I have corresponded with several highly qualified engineers who claim to have developed a reactionless drive which is 'in accord with physical laws'. This only goes to prove that one can spend a lifetime as an engineer and still not understand physics. Take, for example, Laithwaite's plank and bullet thought-experiment: if one cannot see the flaw in his reasoning, one should not even think about inventing.
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Gene Peter Cooke - 15/11/2003 04:43:44
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| | Hi Dave
I may be nterested in helping you with funding. Please let me know what your needs are.
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paul jenkins - 07/12/2003 13:31:58
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| | the established scientific community may have managed to bury and stamp on the grave of the genius of prof eric laithwaite but N.A.S.A. dug it up again!! To get funding for your project you'll need to do two things: 1) find friends in the U.S.A. 2) pretend your project has got nothing to do with gyroscopically induced motion! Seriously,your best bet is self promotion via your own web site showing off your work and attracting donations from private individuals and funding from businesses via advertising etc. Good luck1
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Martin - 13/05/2004 15:23:00
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| | Sorry, but I've read this page with some hilarity. I know nothing about physics, but common sense dictates that if gyroscopic propulsion was possible, a major commercial or governmental organisation would have developed it. This whole thread has a "grassy knoll" feel about it.
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webmaster@gyroscopes.org - 13/05/2004 23:26:32
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| | Both the commercial sector and governmental organisations have on at least one occasion spent resources on this subject. Unfortunately in all cases the funded has been very limited and has not been enough to prove conclusive (the worst possible scenario for research in my eyes). A number of premature success stories have been published by the press which have then been picked apart by the scientific community in the usually ruthless manor. This openness from the start and the published failures have resulted in a quite large amateur (mainly amateur scientist and engineers) research base but with organisations wary of putting in investment.
Do you still want to call this a "grassy knoll"?
As far as I’m concerned more research is needed to prove the case one way or the other. I don’t mind it being a failure, but I do mind the research being unfinished.
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John Chamley - 09/10/2005 22:16:55
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| | This is an old thread that I have just stumbled upon, but I will add my twopennyworth just in case anyone reads it. Dr. Fisher, your attitude is the same one that drove me away from what should have been a good Grammar school education. You are blinkered in your views and neglectful of the truth. Professor Eric Laithwaite did not claim to have invented or discovered a device that defied the laws of physics, that was the media hyping up the story. What he did was to demonstrate a phenomenon to a gathering of supposedly educated scientists, a gyroscopic device that appeared to defy Newton's law of gravity. Eric made no claims, but encouraged scientific investigation to determine what was really happening. The Royal Institute could not cope with such a shock to their archaic and anally-retentive minds and they gave Eric the cold shoulder. The full story can be found at the website below:
http://www.alternativescience.com/eric-laithwaite.htm
I remember watching Eric on TV in the late 1960s, he was demonstrating his linear motor that could be used to power trains without any contact with the track, therefore no friction & no wear and tear. I was awestruck at how he explained it so simply that even I, as a young teenager, understood it. That should have been the birth of a world beating railway system that would require no track repairs and would provide a fast mode of virtually silent transport. He named it MAGLEV, magnetic levitation, and it was a vision of the future, but the government of the day, in R.I. fashion, shelved the idea so that Germany and Japan could reap the benefits of it years later. Sound familiar?!
What led me here was an email from my brother in New Zealand who has recently visited China and travelled on a MAGLEV train in Shanghai. I immediately thought of Eric and once again my blood started to boil!
To Dr. Fisher and the Royal Institute,
Discovery is seeing what everyone else sees, but thinking what no-one else thinks.
Eric was a discoverer of the highest order, and a lovely man as well.
May we be inspired forever by his open-mindedness.
John Chamley
Lancashire.
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rahul - 13/10/2005 12:48:40
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| | i wrote to dre laithwaite in 1979 itself after hearing from him about his gyroscope with mass on the rim. i suggested he apply to nasa for funding. he wrote and said that he was not willing to go to nasa. subsequently it appears he did try nasa at sussex
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Boris - 14/10/2005 18:35:02
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| | A magnetic/gyroscopic device which creates its own electrical source and has the ability through switches (maglev train) to pull in a circular motion a cylindrical apparatus to such speeds as to if engineered in a way as to resemble a helicopter blade assembly like the kids toys you see out there. It would have almost no wear and tear and it runs off of the magnet and electro/magnet switches to propel upwards/sideways and after starting no power source. Some scientist has been working on a flying car with four circular propellars at each corner of the vehicle. I think his power source is a hybrid engine.
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Roger Juneau - 23/01/2009 11:52:41
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| | Jan 23th 2009. I have been working for the last 32 years on a device that apparently, could use the power of the momentum piled-up in a gyroscope, and transform a part of it into a directionnable kinetic energy. I will belive in my project for ever, or till it proven false.(Wich ever comes first). I am at making my last prototype.
Reaserch is finish. If it works, development is coming. If not, I'll be freed from a passioning obsession that haunted my mind for to long now. The main thing that I want to share, is that peoples like M.Fisher will only slow discovery or invention by there septicism.
An arabic proverb says,'' The dog barks, the caravan passes.''
When working on something new, avoid to listen to such narrow-minded peoples.
Specialy the ones who wear the engeneer's ring. That's all wath they can do for you''
showing theyre ring ! ! !
Remenber. In the fifties, a lot of scientific were laughting when told that one day, humanity will be able to send a man on the moon !!
Know. Is there anyone out there who's still wrking on something new ???
I
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glenn hawkins - 24/01/2009 20:50:41
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| | My story was exactly as you described yours. Dr. Fisher has been dead for several years I believe. He’s not holding anyone back. I am trying to finish a book that I hope will allow people like you and I to understand much more and know to continue, or know to quit. There is no math in the book. Math can not explained the why and how of it, but laying out the mechanics of motion can. That is of course a way to imagine and understand how and why interacting motions and forces perform together to make a gyroscope do what it does. The work goes so slowly and so difficultly, because it must be endlessly simplified, or it will never be understood. Nobody else has ever been able to do it. Probable no one ever understood in the first place. I may not have time to finish it. What a loss the would be to the few like we.
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Roger Juneau - 25/01/2009 18:59:19
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| | Hi there, Glenn Hawkins. I am glad that you answered. As I could see, you probabely know few things I,d like to talk of. Tell me what stste or city you live in, and I'll try to give a phone call. Roger
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Glenn Hawkins - 27/01/2009 00:28:22
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| | Hi Rodger,
Post your email address and we’ll see. Take care for now.
Glenn,
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steele braden - 11/10/2011 04:09:25
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| | Hi Dave, cannot help with finance unfortunately.
Way back, I had quite a bit of correspondence with Prof. Laithwaite.
One video clip that really caught my attention, was when he showed how if a stationary gyroscope was placed on the outer end of a matal plate ovelapping the bench, of course the plate overbalanced and the stationary gyro would fall to the ground.
Now the same experiment was done with the gyro spinning.
Now, the plate and gyro stayed in place!!
He asked "Where has the weight gone?!!!
This is a simple experiment anyone can duplicate, but just WHY it does what it does is very open to question.
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Sandy Kidd - 11/10/2011 20:10:32
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| | Hello Steele Braden,
A gyroscope in precession has the unique ability to transfer its mass to act down through its axis of system rotation the system also demonstrates no angular momentum.
With the gyroscope removed position the metal plate such that the fulcrum position of the gyroscope is balanced at the edge of the table.
Replace the gyroscope and note that it easily overbalances the plate at the edge of the table.
Place a weight on the table sufficient to hold it in position whilst the gyroscope is spun up.
With the gyroscope in precession remove the weight from the table.
The plate will remain in position without overbalancing
There is no gain or loss of weight during this demonstration.
Regards,
Sandy Kidd.
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